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COMING OUT, MOVING ON

GLBT teens are opening up to who they are earlier. For David Murr and his family, the process has put them in touch with many different emotions, helping David to accept himself and envision a promising future.

(L to R:) Gretchen, David, and Tom Murr


By H.J. Cummins
Staff Writer   

Star Tribune, June 22, 2003

Tom and Gretchen Murr had strapped themselves in for the wild ride that is adolescence with three children already, when child No. 4 nearly threw them.

David, their youngest, the math whiz, the almost-Eagle Scout, the natural leader, spent much of his sophomore year at Eagan High School barely speaking to them.

``At first, it was frustrating,'' Gretchen Murr said of that time three years ago. ``Then it got disturbing. He just got so sad. I really felt we were losing him.''

Not until the last day of that school year did the Murrs solve the mystery. Tom Murr walked in on his son surfing computer Web sites on sexuality. Is this a problem of pornography, he wondered?

``No, I'm gay and I'm just doing research to help me understand myself,'' David blurted out.

Gretchen Murr will always be thankful for her husband's instinctive response. ``Is that all?'' he told their son. ``That's something we can deal with.''

That day, David Murr brought his parents into his ``coming out,'' a process that for him had started as faint confusion in middle school, surfaced as a first crush as a freshman and, ultimately, broke through his own denial over the Christmas holidays.

That day, the three of them started to re-imagine David's future - as a gay man. They had no clue what to do next. They just knew the secret had been killing them, and that now they could figure out the rest together.

David was 15, and whether he knew it or not he had just become part of a trend. Across the country there are signs that gay teens - more precisely: gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender, or GLBT teens - are coming out younger. Activists say anecdotally that they see it. And one collection of research indicates that GLBT folks now come out to themselves, at least, between the ages of 14 and 16 - down from 19 to 23 in the 1970s.

It makes sense, many experts said. The larger culture has gradually become more accepting. GLBT life has even gone mainstream in some ways: ``Will and Grace'' - the story of a gay man and straight woman as best friends - is one of the most popular shows on TV.

There's also the Internet. GLBT teens can find both information and support there, because one thing the Net does best is connect people who otherwise could feel isolated.

Coming out younger is a good thing, some experts say. It means GLBT teens can start earlier to know and like who they are. And the earlier they can be themselves, the earlier they can figure out their lives and relationships - preferably beginning in their teens, like everyone else.

The single concern, however, is still acceptance. Coming out means GLBT youngsters can be targets of harassment in schools. Also, some of these teens risk rejection by their parents. Some homeless shelters estimate that 40 percent of their young residents are GLBT teens.

'Not like everybody else'

David Murr remembers taking his first step. In seventh or eighth grade, he started to feel that he wasn't straight. ``That's very much how I looked at it,'' he now says. ``I couldn't pinpoint what I was, I just knew I wasn't like everyone else.''

His first crush on a boy came when he was a high school freshman, and it only added to his confusion. He had pictured his future to be like his parents' - a happily married couple, a man and a woman. How could he have that if he loved a man?

He started his sophomore year in a silent, internal debate: I'm gay. No, I'm not. Yes, I am. I can't be. Yes, I can.

Then one night, during the Christmas holidays, the ``yes'' side won. ``Something happened, and I'm not quite sure what,'' he said. ``I was up late, just flipping channels, and I realized what I had been denying in myself, that this physical attraction I had for other guys was something more intrinsic. It was when I realized that that was who I could fall in love with.''

The first person he came out to was a longtime friend. He's not sure why he picked her, except that he had a feeling she'd be OK about it. And she was. The second person was an ex-girlfriend; ``I hadn't talked to her since we broke up, but I felt she had a right to know.'' She reacted well, too.

It gave him the confidence to come out to many of his guy friends, one by one, over the next few months.

``I expected to lose some friends in this process, and I didn't,'' David said. ``I guess I really lucked out in that way.''

That left his parents. He was too afraid to tell them. That's why he withdrew.

``I knew rationally that they'd be OK,'' he said. ``But there's still the fear, the what-if-they're-not feeling. That's what made this doubly hard. My family is very important to me, so I wanted them to know very badly. But I also didn't want to risk losing them because of this.''

David felt his parents asked sort-of silly questions after his sudden news: How do you know? Are you sure?

But he understood that they had to start at the beginning, just as he had. His mom set out to read everything she could about homosexuality. She talked to him a lot, more than his dad did. But she said his dad was talking to her.

They were all looking for answers.

Private thoughts

Gretchen Murr describes her husband as ``a good Republican and a good Catholic.'' In fact, Tom Murr came of age at a time and in a faith that believes homosexuality is wrong.

That's why, while immediately embracing his son, Tom Murr had some issues to work through in private.

He wondered, briefly, if they'd ``made'' David gay somehow by the way they raised him. He also half-expected a counselor to shrug all this off as a passing phase. But in the end, all those ``Phil Donahue'' episodes he'd watched came through. Tom Murr learned that some people are gay. That's all there is to it.

``I'd been very worried about my son,'' he said. ``But to me the problem wasn't that he was gay. The problem was that he was struggling with being gay.''

Now, as with his other children, all he wants is to see his son grow into a happy, healthy adult. So with all due respect to the church he loves, Tom Murr has decided he can't abide its admonition that homosexuals must remain celibate.

``We all have needs of belonging and caring,'' Tom Murr said. ``To say that because you're not attracted to the opposite sex that you must live your life in loneliness is just Dark Ages thinking.''

Gretchen Murr's first instinct that night three years ago was also to embrace David: ``I just had to hug my son and tell him I loved him.''

Her second was to try to understand something she'd never encountered before. ``I had no knowledge about any of this,'' she said. ``I wanted counseling right away, not to `change' him but because I was thinking, `You're 15 years old and I still need to parent you and make sure you're OK.' ''

She ordered books on gay children and looked for advice from a social worker she knew. ``The first thing I remember was some of the painful, painful responses to these kids,'' Gretchen Murr said, ``and all the teen suicides and homelessness because some of these kids can't come out, or they're not accepted by their parents. It was heartbreaking.''

The weekend after school was out, the Murrs took David and some of his friends to the family cabin on the St. Croix river.

``That was probably healing but also an emotional time for me,'' she said. She loved seeing the circle of friends he'd had for years, but when she was alone she cried. ``The thing that hit me then was how different his life was going to be than I had always thought,'' she said.

She worried that David's future would be hard. She knew some people hate gays. She was afraid he'd get hurt. She thought about AIDS.

That fall, David agreed to talk about what it felt like to be a gay kid in school, at a training session of middle-school faculty in another school district. That led to Gretchen Murr's introduction to two teachers, both gay men.

``I needed to meet some gay people, I wanted to gain a comfort level,'' she said. ``They were awesome. And our son was incredible. After that, things were definitely easier.''

David continued to thrive academically in high school. Gretchen Murr still worried about him, though, never forgetting his older brother's advice to him: ``Don't come out at school,'' he'd said. ``It's not safe there.''

David once told his mother that on a good day he'd hear the words ``fag'' or ``gay'' or ``queer'' only a couple of times, though he was never sure if they were directed or him or just part of the regular hallway buzz.

Gretchen Murr was not surprised that her thorough, methodical son had started his college search years early, and that he chose DePaul University in Chicago, partly because of its reputation as having a campus atmosphere of tolerance.

Last fall, David Murr started at DePaul as an English major. His parents visit regularly, and have met his new friends there - including his boyfriend, Andre, who has already visited their Eagan home a couple of times.

Gretchen Murr realized recently just how comfortable she'd grown with all the new circumstances.

``I thought again about how different our family photos are going to be than I'd expected,'' she said. ``What made me happy was when I realized I still saw David in all of them.''

H.J. Cummins is at hcummins@startribune.com.

THE PROS AND CONS OF COMING OUT YOUNG

Advantages: The advantages of coming out young: GLBT youngsters go through the work of adolescence - building a healthy self-identity and healthy relationships - as teens instead of having to reexamine all that later when they come out as adults. They can begin to plan their futures, including choices of careers and partners, and possibly relocation or children. Also, their families can get comfortable with the new reality earlier, and figure out how to stay close.

Disadvantages: The disadvantages: There is still harassment and victimization in many schools. Also, if parents are rejecting, GLBT youngsters may be without emotional and financial support at a young and vulnerable age.

The numbers: In surveys over the years, in states including Minnesota, Washington and Massachusetts, between 1 percent and 5 percent of students identify themselves as GLBT youngsters.

Why parents worry: Most parents are ambivalent when their GLBT youngster comes out to them, often because they worry their child faces a more difficult and dangerous future.

Degrees of coming out: There's evidence that closeted GLBT people struggle the most through life. Some GLBT folks appreciate strong ties to a gay community, but others are just as happy coming out to themselves and a partner or a small circle of friends. In fact, some may legitimately feel more comfortable not coming out at work or to their families of origin.

Orientation, not disorder: The American Psychiatric Association reclassified homosexuality from a mental disorder to a sexual orientation/expression 25 years ago.

Source: Caitlin Ryan; Doug Haldeman; SIECUS.

TYPICAL MILESTONES FOR GAY/LESBIAN YOUTHS

Sexuality researchers note that gay teenagers are ``coming out'' earlier than they did two decades ago. Today, a common scenario might look like this:

10 - First feelings of attraction for other kids of the same sex

12 - Looking at sexy magazines and confiding different feelings to a trusted friend

13 - First experience of same-sex connection, kissing behind the school

14 - Deciding you're gay

15 - Opening up to a favorite school counselor

16 - Telling parents

MORE INFORMATION: ONLINE AND OTHER

Teens and their families can turn to these resources:

PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays): http://www.pflag.org; 612-825-1660.

District 202: GLBT youth community center, http://www.dist202.org; 612-871-5559.

Out for Equity: Part of St. Paul Public Schools, http://www.spps.org/outforequity; 651-603-4942.

Out 4 Good: Part of Minneapolis Public Schools, 612-668-5314.

National Youth Advocacy Coalition: http://www.youthresource.com, or http://www.youthresource.com/health/caitlin/index.cfm; 800-541-6922.

Source: Star Tribune research.

IN PRINT

``GLBTQ: The Survival Guide for Queer & Questioning Teens'' by Kelly Huegel is just out from Free Spirit Publishing of Minneapolis ($15.95 paperback, ages 13 and up). It's aimed at teens questioning their sexual or gender identity and includes pros and cons about coming out, homophobia and anti-gay violence in schools, and advice on keeping safe and healthy. There's also a list of gay-friendly colleges, on which St. Paul's Macalester College ranks 15th and Iowa's Grinnell College 11th.

John Habich


A Child is Listening:
A Reflection from a Christian Mother's Journey

The following are the words of a Christian mother, whose son committed suicide after being unable to accept his own sexuality. She firmly believes that her church's teaching played an important part in her son's death.

"Because of my own lack of knowledge, I became dependent upon people in the Clergy. When the Clergy condemns a homosexual person to Hell and eternal damnation, we, the congregation, echo 'Amen'. I deeply regret my lack of knowledge concerning gay and lesbian people. Had I allowed myself to investigate what I now see as Bible bigotry and diabolical dehumanizing slander against our fellow human beings, I would not be looking back with regret for having relinquished my ability to think and reason with other people...people I trust for truth and guidance in my life and in the life of our gay son.

"God did not heal or cure Bobby as he, our family and Clergy believed He should. It is obvious to us now why He did not. God has never been encumbered by His child's genetically-determined sexual orientation. God is pleased that Bobby has a kind and loving heart. In God's eyes, kindness and love are what life is about. I did not know that each time I echoed 'Amen' to the eternal damnation, referring to Bobby as sick, perverted and a danger to our children that his spirit was broken until he could no longer rise above the injustice of it all. Bobby ended his life at age twenty.

"It was not God's will that Bobby jump over the side of a freeway overpass into the path of an eighteen-wheel truck, killing him instantly. Bobby's death was the direct result of his parent's ignorance and fear of the word gay.

"An injustice has been done not only to Bobby but to his family as well. God knows it isn't right that Bobby is not here with loved ones. Correct education about homosexuality would have prevented this tragedy. There are no words to express the pain and emptiness remaining in the hearts of Bobby's family members, relatives, and friends. We miss Bobby's kind and gentle ways, his fun-loving spirit, his laughter. Bobby's hopes and dreams should not have been taken from him, but they were. We can't have Bobby back; if we could we would say to him, as I say to all gay and lesbian people around the world, these benevolent words of Leo Buscaglia:

Love yourself -- accept yourself -- forgive yourself --
and be good to yourself, because without you the rest
of us are without a source of many wonderful things.

"There are children like Bobby sitting in our congregations. Unknown to you, they will be listening to your 'Amens' as they silently cry out to God in their hearts. Their cries will go unnoticed for they cannot be heard above your 'Amens'. Your fear and ignorance of the word gay will soon silence their cries. Before you echo 'Amen' in your home or place of worship, think and remember...a child is listening."

Mary A. Griffith

Bobby Griffith lived June 24, 1963 - August 27, 1983.


Mary Griffith with her son
Bobby (from the cover of the
book, Prayers for Bobby)



About Mary Boenke,
Founder of PFLAG's Transgender Network (TNET)

Mary M. Boenke (pronounced "bank-key") was born and raised in Erie, PA, attended Mercyhurst Seminary, graduated from Wellesley College in 1951 with majors in Philosophy and Psychology. She later earned two masters degrees -- MSSA (social work) from Case Western Reserve in 1969 and Edinboro University in Clinical Psychology in 1984. She worked in social services research, administration and later as a psychotherapist in Dayton, Warren and Ashtabula, OH until retiring and moving to the Roanoke area in 1990.

Mary describes herself as a longtime rabble-rouser. She was actively involved in desegregating Cleveland's eastern suburbs in the 60's and, later, has been involved in gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered issues. Upon retirement in 1990 and moving to the Roanoke, VA area, Mary started a PFLAG chapter there and became active with national PFLAG as a Regional Director and, later, board member.

In 1995 she helped start the 270 member nationwide Transgender Network within PFLAG (Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays), helped make PFLAG officially trans-inclusive, and, among other things, runs TNET's store. Drop by. The second edition of her book, Trans Forming Families: Real Stories About Transgendered Loved Ones, was published in February 2003.

Mary has been married to John D. Boenke for almost 49 years; they have three adult children and five grandchildren. Their middle child came out as a lesbian after her freshman year of college, and again 18 years later as a transsexual. The whole family is very proud of their transman, whom they believe is now much happier, more successful and a wonderful, handsome brother and son. Mary says it's been a journey she wouldn't have missed for anything in the world (maybe world peace?) and she wouldn't change a thing about her son; he is the greatest just as he is!


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Maria and Charlie Girsch, parents of a gay son, active parishioners at St. Stanislaus Parish in St. Paul, MN, and cofounders of the Come Out and Celebrate Program, show their excitement and satisfaction about the Program's successful inauguration at St. Stan's on January 6, 2005.

About the Program

Come Out and Celebrate is a program to be used in parishes to provide a safe and welcoming place for the families and friends of GLBT persons who have come to cherish their loved ones as full, precious, and valued children of God. It provides these families and friends an opportunity to reflect upon and celebrate, within a Eucharistic liturgy, the lives and special gifts that their GLBT loved ones have brought to them, to the Church, and to greater society. This program was conceived of and developed by Charlie and Maria Girsch, Catholic parents of a gay son who are active members in their parish, St. Stanislaus, in St. Paul, MN.

[For a complete description of the
Come Out and Celebrate
Program, click here.]



CPCSM introduces a new program . . .

Parents Speakers Bureau

A Forum Where Catholic Parents
of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and
Transgendered (GLBT) Children
Share Their Experiences and Insights

Click here for this program's brochure*.

(*Adobe Acrobat needed to read or print this .pdf document. To download free software, click here.)



Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians & Gays (PFLAG) is a national support, education, and advocacy non-profit organization. Founded in 1981 by 25 parents, PFLAG now represents more than over 200,000 members and supporters and almost 500 affiliates in the United States. Not affiliated with any political or religious organization, this vast grassroots network is cultivated, resourced and serviced by the PFLAG national office, located in Washington, DC, the national Board of Directors and 14 Regional Directors.

Some Selected Resources of Interest
from PFLAG's Web Site

Our Daughters and Sons: Questions and Answers for Parents
of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered People


Opening the Straight Spouses Closet: A Guide for
Understanding Issues Facing Families with Gay, Lesbian,
Bisexual, or Transgendered Spouses


Faith in Our Families: Parents, Families & Friends
Talk About Religion & Homosexuality


Is Homosexuality A Sin?

This publication presents the results of a survey of the views of prominent religious leaders across the country from a broad range of faith traditions. Those surveyed are representative of a vast body of religious thinkers of a broad range of faiths, who in their search for truth are known to view ethical and social issues from a broader and more universal perspective and not necessarily confine themselves to their own faith's literal teachings.





THE PFLAG
TRANSGENDER
NETWORK

 

In 2002, the PFLAG Transgender Network (TNET) became PFLAG's first "Special Affiliate," recognized with the same privileges and responsibilities as PFLAG chapters. Whereas chapters have a geographical focus, TNET is focused specifically on promoting the health and well-being of transgendered persons, their families and friends, and provides resources to PFLAG chapters and to the National Office.

A Publication of PFLAG TNET

For a .pdf version* of this booklet, click on the image of the booklet itself.

For the .html version of the booklet, click here.

Printed copies of this 16-page booklet are 3 for $3.00 and 25 for $18 – please inquire for prices for other quantities or overseas shipping. Prices include postage in the US, and are good
through 2003.

Printed copies of "Nuestros/as Hijos/as Trans" (Spanish translation of "Our Trans Children") are also available. Same price and order information.


Trans/Family Video

Here is an easy way to "meet" FTM, MTF, intersexed persons, parents, therapists, children of trans and national PFLAG leaders. With a Discussion Guide, this video is 45 minutes long and perfect for chapter meetings as well as a great resource for parents and families trying to understand and accept transgenderism. Now only $10, including shipping within the US.


A Related Book for Sale

Trans Forming Families:
Real Stories About Transgendered Loved Ones

Mary Boenke, Editor

Go to the book's website for a detailed description of Trans Forming Families, including a synopsis, reviews, and excerpts. $13.95 includes shipping within the U.S.
Trans Forming Families website.


To order the booklet, the video, or the book, please send a check, payable to Mary Boenke, to:

Mary Boenke
180 Bailey Blvd.
Hardy, VA 24101-3528

Phone: (540) 890-3957
Email: MaryBoenke@aol.com




My Child is GAY! Now What Do I Do?
A Web page that is designed to help parents cope with the unsettling discovery that their child is gay.

¡Mi hijo es GAY! ¿Y ahora que hago?
Spanish Version



Straight Spouse Network

Reaching Out... Healing... Building Bridges

Straight Spouse Network (SSN), formerly Straight Spouse Support Network. SSN is an international support network of heterosexual spouses and partners, current or former, of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender mates. Members provide confidential personal support and resource information to spouses, or partners, and mixed-orientation couples nationwide and abroad. SSN is the only support network of its kind in the world.

As outreach, the network offers information about spouse and family issues, mixed orientation marriages and spouse resources to professionals, community organizations and the media.

  • over 65 support groups across the United States;
  • spouse contacts for individual sharing in every state and eight foreign countries;
  • eight online support groups, most with chats and webs attached;
  • strictly nonprofit;
  • funded by tax deductible donations.


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